Monday 21 November 2016

Assigned A Seetec JobPath Adviser

My first meeting with my JobPath adviser took place on the same day as the group session. I was assigned a female adviser. My JobPath adviser came to the reception to greet me and shook my hand and welcomed me to the tower of misery where I was to spend the next 52 weeks to suffer this terrible fate along with all the other poor souls who were also here today and no doubt just as happy as I was to be here.

We walked over to my job advisers office, now when I say office its really not a office but in fact just a work cubicle in the middle of a large room with another work cubicle about 10 foot away and 15 computers where the jobseekers look up their jobs which are placed to the right sides of these work cubicles and to the bottom of the room.

The photo below is just like the cubicles that are inside the People1st building in Letterkenny where the job advisers sit and where you have to talk to them.
This one to one meeting was to take place here in this open space cubicle where others could see and hear you talking, so no privacy what so ever from prying eyes or ears. Now my job adviser asked me to confirm my PPS number and date of birth as well as other personal information and as I already mentioned in my last post anyone who was near could hear everything I said as could the other jobseekers who were using the computers to look up jobs right beside me and I could see and hear the other adviser asking personal questions to a girl who was less than 20 feet away from me as well as the other adviser right next to me who was talking to a woman not more than three feet away and I could hear everything she said and whatever question he asked her, so not one bit of privacy at all and I again ask the question how can this be a confidential service when everything is talked about in public and not in a private room?

When my job adviser was finished asking for my PPS number I was then moved to one of the computers that was less than two feet away from me that some of the jobseekers were on looking up jobs. My adviser then set up an online skills assessment survey that I had to complete. I will tell you what it is, it is a Likert scale which is a psychometric scale that is a psychological measurement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likert_scale

This involved multiple choice questions and you ticked one of the boxes that said, strongly agree, agree, disagree, strongly disagree before moving onto the next question, there were about five questions per page and after you answered the questions on the page you were on you clicked save before then clicking next and moving onto the next set of questions. The survey is only about 5 minutes long and there is about 20 questions.

One of the other job advisers told another jobseeker, "There is no right or wrong answer"

I just clicked this box and that box as its all a load of nonsense anyway. They tell you its to find out your list of strengths and weaknesses but how can that be when anyone can choose whatever answer they like. You could click strongly agree on everything or you could click agree on everything or you could click disagree on everything or you could mix it up a bit and click, agree, strongly agree, agree, disagree, strongly disagree, agree, etc. Yet this Likert psychometric scale is meant to know your strengths and weaknesses?  What Likert scales are really used for are to collect data and they are often used in commercial market research!

After I had finished my survey I was then invited back to my advisers desk and with one step I was back in the chair beside her and I mean only one step that is how close these computers are that the jobseekers have to use, and of course I will have to use them next week for jobseeking so I will then be one of those computer jobseeker users and I too would be able to listen to any conversation that takes place between other jobseekers and their advisers as there is no privacy and its not all that big of a room.

My adviser then asked me what I wanted to work at and all the usual stuff that anyone who has been unemployed will have been asked at one stage or another so its the same questions all over just a different person asking them.

Once she was done asking me about all I wanted to work at and that she asked to see my C.V. and had a look at it, now even though she couldn't find fault with it she still insisted on putting me on a C.V. course just like I had predicted on my previous post last week. Before I left she made me an appointment see her again as well as putting me on the C.V. course in September which I will write about here.

I told her I had already done C.V. courses, her reply, "You might learn something new." Somehow I very much doubt I will learn anything new, as a matter of fact I know I will learn nothing new, why you ask, simple, I have done it all before thats why.

I was annoyed that I would have to do another C.V course as I had done C.V. courses on the Jobclub as well as the Pathways To Employment and both of these courses covered typing up C.V.'s doing mock interviews and watching videos of people doing interviews, doing covers letters, getting the local newspaper and looking at the jobs sections and writing up a letter and replying to a job that is advertised, learning what to say in a interview, learning what not to say in a interview, learning what to wear in a interview, learning what not to wear in a interview, and all the other things that are covered on these courses I have done more than once, I have even done a day long interview skills course which covered all of the above, now I have to sit and do it all over again.

After she had typed up my review she then digitally signed her initials on my review on her computer and I had to do the same by moving the computer mouse and signing my initials on screen after which she then printed out my review and handed me a copy to take with me and also gave me her card with her name and number on it and the time and date for my next review. We said our goodbyes and I left.




JobPath Group Session

So I attended the JobPath group session. When I arrived we gave our letters to the woman at the reception desk who then asked us to sign our names in the sign in book, we were then given a Seetec JobPapth Client Information Pack (pictures at bottom of this page) after that we were told to wait in the meeting room where the session was taking place. There were about 25 people there altogether, mostly men and about 5 females.

After waiting for about 10 minutes a woman came in and told us her name was Dolly* and who switched on a flat screen TV on the wall in front of us which had the first page of the information booklet that we were all handed at reception. She then proceeded with today's lecture by reading out the first page of our booklet that was highlighted on this flat screen TV before reading out the second page, and the third page all the way up to page 13.

After that was done we than had a woman called Velma* take over the lecture and who give us more or less a scripted Seetec/JobPath talk. I won't bore you with the details but I will highlight some of the things she said during her lecture.

Some of Velma's* quotes:

"And its not a course" - Then why have I to do a C.V. course? I told you all on my last post that they would put me on one!! Even though there is nothing wrong with my C.V.

"On the programme" - You got that right, it is a government programme run by a private company no less!

"This is a confidential service." - How can that be as whenever you are talking to your job adviser in public by the way, anyone who is near can hear everything you say as can other Jobseekers who are using the computers to look up jobs. So no its not a confidential service, as my adviser was typing my details into the computer I could hear and see another adviser asking a girl who was less than a 20 feet away from me personal questions and there was another adviser right next to me as well who was talking to a woman not more than three feet away and I could hear everything she said as well as whatever question he asked her, so again NOT a confidential service.!

"Just to learn a little bit more about you, as we currently stand, all we know about you is the information we received before this meeting this morning is your name, address and PPS number which would have been detailed on your letters, aside from that we know nothing..."  So this private company wants even more of our personal information.

"I can't stop moving my hands" - She did have a habit of moving her hands when she was talking and it was very entertaining to watch, she reminded me of one of the Thunderbird puppets with her hands moving up and down as she talked, all that was missing were the strings!

"1000 people on JobPath in Letterkenny alone. 1000 people coming though the doors here every week." - So thats why the unemployment figures are down then. But seriously if there are 1000 people on JobPath in Letterkenny alone and 1000 people coming though the doors every week, then how many out of that unemployed 1000 actually get a job? A job that they want not one that is forced upon them just so the JobPath/Seetec employees get a bonus and to say that people have found a job, if its the jobseekers that are finding these jobs then thats great but if its JobPath/Seetec that is finding them then thats not good at all as there are all about getting people into any job just so they can get paid a bonus. I don't believe for one minute that there are 1000 people going thought the doors each week, it will be more like 1000 each month, can the JobPath/Seetec employees prove these figures as fact and not fiction?

(The first bit up to "right now" is said in an Irish accent but with a bit of a Yankee twang just like Velma*)" Although the atmosphere feels really horrible right now,  its not always like this believe it or not, as time goes on you'll probably start to see that, erm, as people it is quite a sociable place as well and people come in and do the job search" - A bit like the dole office then!! As for coming in to do the job search people have no choice as if we don't go in we get our money cut. I can job search at home but no I now have to sit in their building every week for an hour and a half just to look up jobs on their computers.

"Your information in terms of data protection is securely kept here." - Unless our information is stored off line or in a filing cabinet (which it wasn't and isn't) than its not secure as ANY computer connected to the internet can be hacked. My adviser was putting my information into a computer that was connected to a wireless WiFi network!!!!
 
 (61%) of organisations have had at least one data breach in the last year!

  http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0119/846140-data-breaches/

"And you are given a copy of everything that we wrote down in relation to you, so anything that is typed into the computer you take a copy with you on the day" - Whats the point of having a copy when all your personal information is being typed into a computer that is connected to a WiFi network that could be hacked!

"We are a private company delivering a government contract there's no hiding that and its not something we're ashamed or embarrassed about" - No of course there is nothing to be ashamed or be embarrassed about forcing unemployed people onto a government programme that is run by a private company!!

"You move off the programme when you move into full time employment of 30 hours or more per week" - How can this be when it clearly states on the Citizen Information website that the program lasts a year (52 weeks).

http://whatsnew.citizensinformation.ie/2016/05/03/know-your-rights-jobpath/

"If your not successful in moving into employment, we will complete an end of programme view, that would be everything you have done with us" - Which contradicts what she said above about only moving off the programme when you find work for 30 hours or more.

 Not their real names*




Wednesday 16 November 2016

A Phone Call From Seetec

I got a phone call from Seetec the day after I received the letter telling me I had to attend Jobpath.

How did they get my phone number?  No doubt from the Department of Social Protection.

The woman on the phone, told me what her first name was and that she was calling from Seetec. She wanted to tell me about the letter I received and that I was to attend this group session. She asked for my PPS number to make sure she were talking to the right person, ie me.

After I gave her my PPS number she told me that Seetec were a employment services that helped people get back to work. Yeah right!

She told me where the building was that the session was taking place in and asked if I knew where the venue was at. I told her I wasn't sure even though I knew where it was I wanted her to tell me, so she told me it was across from the Bank of Ireland on Main Street. I told the woman I knew now where the building was.

But the thing is across from the Bank of Ireland is the Market Square and a taxi rank so how can the building be across from the Bank of Ireland? I'll tell you dear readers where its at, its actually across from County Seat clothes shop which is up two doors up from the Bank of Ireland and its right next door to O'Gorman & Cunningham Solicitors!

The woman then asked me want I wanted to work at. I give her my answer and the woman then asked for my second preference, I told her I wasn't sure what else I wanted to work at and she asked again if there was anything else I wanted to do besides what I had told she and I said there wasn't, the woman said that was OK.

She told me that I had to bring the letter I had received to the group session, she then asked if I had a C.V. I told her yes and she said, great, bring that along too with the letter. She again told me her first name and to contact her if I had any questions. Funny thing was she never give me a contact number but it did come up on my phone which was 018608200

She then thanked me for taking the call and that she would send a reminder text to my phone the day before to remind me about the meeting

Anyone that I have spoke to that is already on Jobpath was put on a day course on how to type up a C.V. with a cover letter and all the usual stuff which I have already done on the Jobsclub and Pathways To Employment as well as doing a day long interview skills course but no doubt I will be put on yet another C.V. type course only this time with Jobpath/Seetec and if I am I will write all about it here!

I have copy & pasted below an article which I thought made very interesting reading, the link to where the original article was posted is also posted below.

https://www.kildarestreet.com/committees/?id=2014-10-15a.5


The State provides services to unemployed jobseekers using a mix of direct provision by staff employed in its own Departments and agencies and via contracted provision under commercial contracts with local development companies, LDCs, and other providers, including, for example, providers of Momentum services. In general, and with specific reference to services provided by the Department of Social Protection, staff directly employed by the Department provide services to short-term unemployed and "job ready" jobseekers, whereas services to support long-term unemployed jobseekers and jobseekers with significant barriers to employment are provided by third parties under contract.

It has been clear for some time that the combination of the Department’s direct and contracted resource capacity is insufficient to provide a high level of service to all of the people currently on the live register. In this regard, it is estimated that a total resource capacity of approximately 1,800 case workers is required to provide a systematic case management service to all of the jobseekers on the live register. This compares with the combined capacity of our contracted and our directly provided service in 2012 which consisted of approximately 450 case workers. As part of the process of rolling out Pathways reforms, the Department realised efficiency gains that enabled it to increase capacity by deploying a further 300 staff on employment service activities and to maximise client referrals under the existing contract arrangements with other providers. The purpose of JobPath is to further augment our capacity in a cost-effective manner to cope with a cyclical but diminishing peak in caseload. Towards this end, JobPath is a time limited payment by results contract model under which the cost to the Exchequer is directly linked to employment outcomes and welfare savings.

It will operate alongside and complement our existing in-house and contracted resources; it will not substitute for, or displace, any existing capacity.

Internationally, contracted models similar to JobPath were first developed in the 1980s and are now commonplace in many OECD countries. Accordingly, the Department drew on international experience in developing JobPath. In addition, the Department commissioned and took advice from experts who advised and prepared reports for the EU, the OECD, the UK Government, the UK House of Parliament select committees, the National Audit Office in the UK, the Northern Ireland Executive and the Trade Union Council, TUC, in the UK. The Department also took informal advice and input from the former Director General of Employment Policy and Services in the OECD, canvassed the opinion of Irish labour market experts in the NESC, the ESRI, the Geary Institute and the National University of Ireland in Maynooth and took input from members of the Labour Market Council. Finally, the Department held a number of public briefing events which involved participants from advocacy groups, local development companies and trade unions among others and sought feedback from participants.

Taking account of the advice and feedback received and our own analysis of the performance, benefits and risks associated with contracting models in other countries, we designed JobPath over the period 2012 to 2013. The key elements of the design are that JobPath will support people who are long-term unemployed and those newly unemployed people who are profiled as being most distant from the labour market; the Department of Social Protection will select all of the clients to be referred and will ensure that the clients referred will be a representative mix of all long-term unemployed clients on the live register; JobPath contractors will have no say in the selection of clients; the period of engagement on the programme for any individual client will be up to 52 weeks, compared to 104 weeks in Great Britain; and client referrals will be made for a period of four years with a further two year workout period giving a maximum contract duration of six years.

On average, it is expected that some 100,000 jobseekers per annum will be referred to JobPath over the four year referral period. Unlike in Great Britain, jobseekers can be referred to, and will have access to, further education and training opportunities while on JobPath and every participant on the programme is guaranteed a baseline level of service – a service guarantee. The service guarantee will ensure that all participants receive support to develop a personal progression plan, regular one-to-one and face-to-face meetings with personal advisers at a frequency of at least once per month, assistance with CV and job interview preparation, job search assistance, and in work support. Providers have flexibility in addressing whatever barriers a jobseeker may have in securing employment, for example, child care support, travel expenses, training on basic literacy skills, computer skills and other work specific skills.

JobPath is a “payment by results” model. An initial fee will be paid on the production of a personal progression plan for each client; subsequent "sustainment" payments, which will make up about 90% of the total fees for any individual client, will only be made where a person completes 13, 26, 39 and 52 weeks of sustained employment. The fees paid to contractors are tiered based on unemployment durations such that contractors are incentivised to provide an equal level of service to all clients rather than focus their attentions on the clients who are easier to place. In addition, contractors will be required, under contract, to commit to a specific level of progression to employment across all clients. Fees paid to contractors are also subject to a number of controls, including retention fees and automatic price discounts. Retention fees, which reduce the level of payments to contractors, apply if contractors fail to meet contractual performance commitments and-or if they do not deliver a satisfactory level of customer service as measured by the Department in independent customer surveys. Price discounts will be applied automatically if employment growth in the economy exceeds those levels set out in A Strategy for Growth medium-term economic strategy 2014 -2020, published in 2013.

A request for tenders, setting out these conditions and requirements, was issued in December of last year and following a detailed evaluation of tenders received two preferred bidders have been selected and contracts are currently being finalised. The two preferred bidders are Turas Nua Ltd. and Seetec Business Technology Company Ltd. Turas Nua is a new business and is a joint venture between FRS Recruitment, a large Irish co-operative recruitment company based in Roscrea. and Working Links, an established, UK based, non-profit provider of employment services to long-term unemployed people. Seetec Business Technology is a private company delivering a wide range of employability and skills programmes across both urban and rural areas of England. Turas Nua Limited will operate in the southern half of the country, including towns and cities such as Cork, Limerick, and Waterford.

Seetec will operate in the northern half of the country, including in towns and cities such as Dublin, Galway, Sligo and Dundalk. Between them the two preferred bidders envisage providing services from approximately 100 outlets, employing approximately 1,000 staff around the country.

The preferred bidders have accepted all the conditions and requirements and have proposed to exceed our service and performance requirements. If successful, they will provide service from 100 outlines and employ 1,000 staff. Most importantly, they will help approximately 89,000 more long-term unemployed people move into employment than would be expected in the absence of JobPath.

The total projected cost to the State, assuming progression to employment performance commitments are met, is approximately €338 million over a six year period, These costs will be matched by gross welfare savings of approximately €505 million over the course of the contract.

It is important to note that JobPath is not replacing any existing service provision, either that provided directly by staff within the Department or that provided under existing contract arrangements. JobPath does not involve the outsourcing of any existing work, nor does it require departmental staff to transfer to external providers or to cease existing work. Its purpose is to complement and augment our core capacity and to enable the Department to adapt the total level of resourcing in a flexible manner in line with variations in demand for employment services. The use of contracting in such circumstances is provided for under Towards 2016 and the Croke Park and Haddington Road agreements, as confirmed by the findings of the independent arbitration board established under these arrangements.

It is also important to note that JobPath will not have any negative impact on the existing local employment services and job clubs. The Department intends to continue its contractual arrangements with the local employment service and job club providers following the introduction of JobPath. In fact, Job Path offers an opportunity for these providers to expand their services and increase their revenues as they are free to participate as subcontractors in JobPath. Many of the providers have already indicated their intention to do so.

Committee members may be familiar with criticisms of the model of contacting that has evolved in Great Britain. It should be noted that the JobPath contract model differs significantly from the Great Britain model and the Department is satisfied, based on the inputs and advice received, that the JobPath design addresses the perceived deficiencies of Great Britain model, in particular with regard to issues such as "cream skimming" and "parking", in other words where hard-to-place jobseekers are "parked" and contractors focus their efforts on easy-to-place clients, and also with regard to customer service obligations, employment sustainability and profiteering.

A 14-day standstill period was required under EU procurement rules to provide under-bidders with an opportunity to appeal the outcome of the procurement process; this expired on 12 October. The Department will now proceed to finalise contracts with the preferred bidders. Subject to the successful conclusion of contracts, it is expected that JobPath will go live in mid-2015.

A Letter About JobPath

I got a letter in the post informing me I had to attend an information session along with other jobseekers (ie potential bonuses for Seetec employees) and if I didn't go I'd get my jobseekers payment reduced.

This is the same letter I got

http://www.unitedpeople.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/14281418_1392700194093007_1015082933_n-edited.jpg

This private operator Seetec who run JobPath will be paid an initial registration fee for signing up candidates and then up to four “job-sustainment” fees – paid retrospectively for each 13-week period of accumulated employment of at least 30 hours a week. What I'd like to know is where are they going to find all these so called jobs?

A very interesting read on the united people page about Seetec.

http://www.unitedpeople.ie/the-seetec-threat/

Copied and pasted below is a news article from the Irishtimes along with the link.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/private-jobpath-operators-to-get-job-sustainment-fees-1.2387594

Private sector operators of the Government’s new JobPath scheme are to be paid a sequence of “job-sustainment fees” based on the length of time they keep people at work.

The programme, which targets the 164,000 long-term unemployed people on the Live Register, has been controversially outsourced to two recruitment firms.

Turas Nua and Seetec will be paid an initial registration fee for signing up candidates and then up to four “job-sustainment” fees – paid retrospectively for each 13-week period of accumulated employment of at least 30 hours a week.

The fees agreed at each stage have not been disclosed but they will take into account the length of time candidates has been without work.

The staggered payments are designed to ensure the firms remain incentivised to find people sustainable jobs.

A Government spokesman said the overall cost of the programme would be determined by the number of people who participate.

“JobPath is a payment-by-results model, which means that companies will not be able to fully recover their costs until they place sufficient numbers of jobseekers into sustainable jobs,” he said.

Depending on the number of referrals, the programme is expected to cost the Government€200 million to €340 million over six years.

The Government hopes it will make savings on jobseekers’ payments of€315 million to €525 million.

Critics of the Government’s decision to bring in private recruiters claim the programme is vulnerable to “creaming and parking” whereby contractors cherry-pick jobseekers with better prospects.

In Britain, private welfare-to-work firms earn up to €19,000 for getting long-term claimants back to work.



JobPath Experience

This blog will be about my experience on the employment activation Jobpath here in Letterkenny, Co.Donegal, Ireland. Jobpath is run by the private company called Seetec and People1st are the organization that run it in Donegal. I will write everything to do with it and my experiences on it. As an Irish citizen everyone is entitled to the freedom of speech as stated in the Irish Constitution article 40.6.1.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/cons/en/html#article40

Seetec which as you may or not know is also the same UK company that was allegedly placing Work Choice clients as free labour to charities and other host organizations, and then paying their wages itself for the next six months – through its “wage incentive scheme” - while pretending to DWP on official documents that the salaries were being paid by the host organizations.

More can be read about that on the below links:

http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/new-questions-over-seetec-work-choice-scam-allegations/

 http://www.disabledgo.com/blog/2014/05/dwp-faces-cover-up-claims-over-work-choice-fraud-investigation/